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A 14-year-old Talks Educational Technology

Monday, October 22, 2007
Posted by Steve Hargadon

"Arthus" is the web name of a 14-year-old student in Vermont who has recently become actively involved in the online dialog about educational technology. I find his voice an interesting--maybe a critically important--addition to the discussion. To me, Arthus is not representative of most 14-year-olds, but is representative of the kind of independent, engaged, proactive, and self-directed learner we often think will thrive in the flattened and connected world of the Internet.

Now the big question: will the use of Web 2.0 and collaborative technologies do more than just highlight intellectually mature youth, and actually help to promote, encourage, and support this learning style? If so, are we ready for it? Some of what he says is going to be very hard to hear for teachers, and will feel threatening--maybe especially because of its accuracy. It's one thing to hear a teacher say some of these things, it's quite another to hear them from a freshman in high school. How would the learning environment of 9th grade, for example, have to change when you have a classroom full of youth this intellectually independent?

Notes:
  • Arthus started by seeing someone with a blog, and then starting his own. Was a technical interest, then moved to the subject of education. Started at age 11, HTML websites at 12, PHP at 13.
  • Really likes Twitter.
  • He thinks that schools teach students to "fear technology" and to really only use it for limited things and not for deeper conversations.
  • He doesn't feel that he is any danger in the web. The only precaution he takes is the pseudonym. Has never had anything weird happen to him on the web.
  • His school has a good number of computers, and is relatively well-funded, and even though they buy new computers every couple of years, the teachers don't engage with them or use them actively in the classroom. Would really like to see his school go to a 1:1 laptop program.
  • Outside of school he spends "quite a few hours" a day on the computer. He is not a gamer, though.
  • He feels that his life is in balance. He does school clubs. He feels comfortable turning off the computer to do other things. Believes that not using games (a "strict" rule he made for himself) has helped him not become "addicted." (Pretty self-disciplined!) Feels that one of the most important things is to have a "set task" when you get on the computer.
  • He was the one who decided to use a different name online to protect his privacy, but his mom is glad he did. Even though his mom doesn't personally use technology very much, she is very understanding of his interests.
  • Twitter is the "realization" of his network, since you can see what everyone is thinking and doing. You can also ask questions--almost like a "better Google." Twitter is not distracting to him. He feels he can ignore if he needs to, and he also purposely limits the number of people that he is going to follow. He's been blogging for a year, but once he got on Twitter it was amazing how interactive things became.
  • Doesn't like MySpace (interface is "shoddy"). Likes Facebook. Can easily eat up 30 - 60 minutes a day on Facebook. Uses Google Docs (formal things) and Zoho Notebook (planning). Uses Del.icio.us for social bookmarking. Hasn't used wikis very much. Uses Feedburner for tracking. Uses Quizlet.
  • Is considering doing a student-run session at the SLA EduCon.
  • Most of the people he knows who are older just use email and search, don't do any of the "pro-sumer" aspects of web. But same could be said of his own generation--many use social networking, but not other aspects.
  • He's interested in education because he is in the education system right now. Feels that when students come to school their (technology) "tentacles" are cut off. He knows that there is bad stuff out there, but the problem is that we are fearing the technology instead of the content.
  • If teachers are worried about the use of laptops in class for things that aren't related to class, then maybe teachers should be thinking about why students wouldn't be paying attention. Students should have an option of whether they want to pay attention. It's not a given that students will pay attention if you are not talking about something they care about. This whole technology is really good at bringing out the flaws that might be in the system.
  • The current learning system--one task, one person teaching--will just not be relevant in the future. And it's not reflective of what college or work life are like. The education system owes it to students to prepare them for that world. We shouldn't necessarily be teaching the tools, but teaching the thought processes that go into them. The teachers owe it to themselves and their students to be learning these new Web technologies.
  • If he had to pick one technology for an educator to start learning, it would be Twitter. It is the easiest one to use, and is so powerful. Also, if he had one message for his high school teachers for the next four years: they really need to stop being so disconnected from the technology. It's not about learning the knowledge, but the thinking.
  • He has a cell phone, but he doesn't text. Doesn't have a text plan, so it would be expensive. He doesn't watch TV, but watches some NBC shows online. He has an iPod video, but he's never bought a video--the screen is to small. He has 3,965 songs on his iPod--would be twelve straight days to listen to all of them. He listens to his iPod constantly, all day long, whenever he can. He doesn't feel that having the earphones in stops him from socializing. He values face-to-face speaking a lot.
  • He does worry about youth using technologies for "stupid" purposes: YouTube videos that shouldn't be public, that you wouldn't want a college administrator looking at. Has never seen an example of cyber-bullying. His computers at home are not filtered, and he runs the "networks" in his home.
Arthus blogs at http://myfla.ws/blog.

(It is important to note that I spoke with Arthus's mother prior to conducting the interview to make sure she was comfortable with this level of exposure. )

Cross-posted from www.stevehargadon.com

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52 Comments:

At Oct 23, 2007 3:17:00 PM, Blogger Lucie deLaBruere said...

It's been fun to watch how Web 2.0 tools have allowed Arthus's learning network to grow from his small Vermont neighborhood to a global network. Arthus, thanks for modeling to us how these tools can cross geographic boundaries,
age boundaries, and many others. As a fellow Vermonter, I understand the power of the web to connect. Proud of you, my fellow Vermonter! ;-)

 
At Oct 23, 2007 7:27:00 PM, Blogger IMC Guy said...

This kid really makes some great points. I'd like to hear some responses from school district technology leaders about his thoughts on the use of technology in schools. He certainly seems to have a pretty good handle on technology.

 
At Oct 25, 2007 4:48:00 PM, Anonymous Sue Waters said...

Arthus rocks. Just wish I could write blog posts as good as he does :). It has been fascinating watching how he interacts with us educators. I interact with a similar teenager here in Western Australia who has been on our Web association committee for 2 years (he is 16) and is totally into programming. We can learn so much from these guys.

 
At Oct 25, 2007 5:55:00 PM, Blogger Clint said...

This podcast should be shared with any educator you can get to listen. Did he take the "tentacles" comment from the November article? Very well read kid!

 
At Oct 26, 2007 10:31:00 PM, Anonymous Doug Belshaw said...

Sorry to say, but I'd like to reinforce your point that this is not your typical student. In fact, it sounds a lot like the kind of smart-ass, loner kid you get in each year group who doesn't make many friends.

Remember that learning's about making connections in the real world as well! :-)

 
At Oct 27, 2007 4:56:00 PM, Blogger Arthus Erea said...

Doug, so the fact that I actually participate in something makes me a smart-ass, loner?
Online connectins do not necessarily mean you can't make real world connections. And as for me being a smart-ass kid with no friends (besides it being incredibly rude for someone who calls themselves a teacher) I'd like to wonder how much of a smart ass jerk you are to be browsing online just to slander students?

(P.S. I do make plenty of friends - I don't sacrifice real world connections for online connections. Instead, I cut out useless time spent on gaming and TV.)

 
At Oct 27, 2007 5:11:00 PM, Blogger . said...

Doug that is uncalled for!

 
At Oct 27, 2007 5:16:00 PM, Blogger John Pederson said...

Wow. Just plain wow.

 
At Oct 27, 2007 5:33:00 PM, Blogger Lisa Parisi said...

Having just come from a conference where I converted my online friends into "real" friends, I know that the friendships and connections I make here are very "real" and very important. And, I am glad that Arthus is part of my network.

 
At Oct 27, 2007 5:44:00 PM, Anonymous Ryan Bretag said...

What really says a lot about Arthus is his apparent critical approach to the Web and grounded ideas of perception and reality.

Voices like Arthus are needed within the educational community and I for one hope he does lead a student EduCon session full of "Smart-ass kids" because these are the voices of change that many aren't hearing or simply placing ridiculous labels on so that they don't have to hear them.

 
At Oct 27, 2007 6:45:00 PM, Blogger Chris Lehmann said...

Oh don't worry... he'll have lots of student company at EduCon... our students are planning some great sessions!

 
At Oct 27, 2007 6:48:00 PM, Blogger Kevin Walter said...

Doug: So educators should just ignore the smart-ass loners who happen to have a voice (thanks to the Internet)? Wait, tell me if I get it now: their voices aren't representative of students as a whole. Students as a whole don't care about their education. Right?

Because they don't feel like they have a voice.

 
At Oct 27, 2007 8:23:00 PM, Anonymous Clare Lane said...

So who is this "Doug" person anyway? He's completely slipped under my radar -which doesn't necessarily mean anything at all, but you'd think making those types of comments to a student, he'd cover himself a little better.
Having Googled him, he looks about 15, he has multiple blogs, one dubiously named "Musings from a Wannabe Genius".

Sorry Doug, being a doctoral student does not make you a genius -but I qualify for Mensa (quit paying dues -I figure I know my IQ so who cares?). If you need help, I'd be happy to guide you to the exam -and even THAT does not make you a genius!If you are a classroom teacher, I'd hate to see how you talk about your own students in your school lunchroom. With all of those blogs, a baby, and a docoral program, as well as claiming to be a true geek, when can you possibly teach?

In closing I'd just like to add: I would give my eye teeth for a room full of Arthus-types, smart-ass or otherwise. Thank you very much!

Remember that teaching is about making connections with students as well!

 
At Oct 27, 2007 9:25:00 PM, Blogger Simon said...

Arthus, thank you for voicing your concerns about educational systems. I appreciate your considered, incisive comments.

 
At Oct 28, 2007 7:46:00 AM, Anonymous Doug Belshaw said...

In my experience (and that's the only experience I can talk from, after all) those 14 year-olds who seek to participate in higher-level adult discourse usually alienate themselves from their peers.

I'm sure Arthus is a well-rounded individual with healthy sporting interests, a girlfriend and the ability to engage in small-talk about popular culture. :-)

So to reply to some of the comments which followed mine:

@Arthus: I wasn't attacking you per se but those who hold you up as some sort of paradigm. Sorry if you took it too personally.

Kevin: Obviously not, don't be facetious...

Clare: Thanks for accusing me of attacking someone and then having a go at me yourself. Sounds somewhat self-defeating...

As for not connecting with my students, I don't need to defend the amount of hours I put into the educational system. Those who have made connections with me will know that. But this isn't about me, it's about something deeper, which I shall no doubt blog about in the future.

Now, if you'll excuse me, it's been a long 8-week half-term... :-p

 
At Oct 28, 2007 7:56:00 AM, Blogger Arthus Erea said...

It's so easy to write off my voice as that of some smart-assed kid who is not representative of students? No need to change, anyone who isn't satisfied is just a smart ass loner?

Well I've got news for you bud. Though most students might not be talking on a higher level, the problems I am discussing apply to all students. Ask most kids and they'll say they aren't engaged in school.

@Doug: Calling me a smart-ass loner certainly sounds a lot like attacking me... as for me not playing any sports or having an ability to talk about "normal" stuff with my peers.. you can't have the feintest ideas. (And it's a yes on both fronts)

 
At Oct 28, 2007 8:10:00 AM, Anonymous Doug Belshaw said...

Arthus, to re-iterate. I am not attacking you. If it sounded like I did, I apologise.

What you don't realise as a 14 year-old - and sorry if this sounds patronising but it's the way the world works - is that people are using you to try and demonstrate a point.

The trouble is, their point isn't valid.

(you may want to read my blog for my thoughts on what I do with the students in my classes)

 
At Oct 28, 2007 8:22:00 AM, Anonymous Arthus Erea said...

@Doug I've got news for you mate, but I'm not some marionette with strings being pulled by 'point-proving' school 2.0 zealots. Nobody told me to write on my blog, nobody tells me what to say, and none of my teachers are encouraging me to say this.

I've been writing this stuff on my blog far before I even talked to anyone in the edublogesphere.

As for their point (and mine) being invalid, give me one good reason.

P.S.: By making it sound like I'm stupid enough to be manipulated, you are once again attacking me and my credibility. If my point is invalid, what is the need?

 
At Oct 28, 2007 10:45:00 AM, Blogger John Pederson said...

Doug,

How you get from...

"Sorry to say, but I'd like to reinforce your point that this is not your typical student."

to

"...people are using you to try and demonstrate a point. The trouble is, their point isn't valid."

through

"In fact, it sounds a lot like the kind of smart-ass, loner kid you get in each year group who doesn't make many friends."

is the problem.

I'm sure that in a f2f conversation, Arthus included, we'd all come pretty close to agreement that students participating in this level discourse is unusual. We may even draw on some stereotypes from our past experience, like you mention.

The problem now is that this is pieced together online. We've all been around the Internet long enough to be damn careful when getting close to that fine line of "this could be blown completely out of context".

In this case you drove over it with a dump truck.

I was hoping to come back this morning and see that you backed off the lawn. I looks like you are driving circles.

1) Wrap it up with Arthus.
2) Explain to the rest of us how we are using Arthus to demonstrate and invalid point.

Be very careful as you back up. If it's going to mean ripping up more lawn, skip step #2. get out of the truck and walk away.

 
At Oct 28, 2007 11:11:00 AM, Anonymous Doug Belshaw said...

I'm going to respond to this on my blog in the next few days. It's one of the few places in the edublogosphere that doesn't suffer from 'nodding dog syndrome'...

 
At Oct 29, 2007 7:31:00 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Doug --

Since you have not posted your blog yet -- I felt it would be prudent to chat with you here --

I need you first and foremost to know that not everyone is fitting into the 'nodding dog syndrome'. And to seem to lump the entire blogosphere into that label I feel is unfortunate and unfair to many.

I have enjoyed getting to know Arthus but I will not be one to jump on the bandwagon quite yet. And I would implore educators who are learning so much from Arthus to perhaps talk and get to know their own students too!!

But what bothers me the most is your word choice and on that, I do need to take you to task.

Regardless of your feelings, your beliefs, or your judgements -- you posted very unfortunate (and also unprofessional) verbage on the blog. Whether you are or are not dealing with students, the word choice you used was so inappropriate. We have a professional obligation to demonstrate comment etiquette to our students at all times. Even when we might vehemently disagree with what we have read.

I believe any other word choices would not have stirred the firestorm which I think is still to come.......and unfortunately I think that this topic is going to get way more blog space than it really should.

I am looking forward to reading your post. I would love to see your thought process which caused you to post those words in the first place.

JWagner

 
At Oct 29, 2007 12:26:00 PM, Blogger Steve Hargadon said...

One of the downsides to a group blog using Blogger, which I otherwise love, is that I don't get notified of comments. In this case, @clarelane tweeted that she was getting an "Access Denied" message trying to get to ITM, I came to the site to see if I could get to it, and discovered 20+ comments on the post about my interview with Arthus.

Unfortunately, I feel like the comments got a little heated, and I agree with John Pederson that sometimes the lack of f2f can lead to "going polar"--a phrase my wife and I used early in our marriage when small differences in opinions turned into larger ones only because we thought the other person wasn't listening.

I'm not sure how representative Arthus is, and I'm not sure how much it matters. There have always been articulate, intelligent young people, and I do know that I believe that they have often been responsible for some of the most significant advances in society. I don't think everyone needs to be, nor would I want them to be, a "well-rounded individual with healthy sporting interests, a girlfriend and the ability to engage in small-talk about popular culture." Some of my favorite students don't fit that category, and some do.

I really like constructive dialog between those with diverse views, which somehow got lost here.

 
At Oct 29, 2007 1:38:00 PM, Blogger Swansong said...

"Teachers as model posters."

Okay, now, let's go back to actually analyzing content and discussing relevancy with some modicum of decorum, shall we?

 
At Oct 29, 2007 8:56:00 PM, Anonymous Justin Medved said...

A few observations on this post and comments within it.

1) The edublogosphere is a passionate place where kids and learning are sacred. When posting comments attention to semantics and word choice is paramount. The audience is wide and varied. One persons curse is another's slang. Opportunity for misunderstanding is high.

2) Age does not equate intelligence nor wisdom.

3) Here it is clear that the conversation would have taken a much different turn if the tone of a few sentences had been different. It is possible to create barriers to getting your point across by not elaborating fully. When body language cannot fill in the blanks for the writer, the readers imagination will do it for them.

4) The ability to get your point across succinctly and clearly is and will increasingly be a valued skill in the 21st century.

 
At Oct 29, 2007 9:34:00 PM, Blogger Kelly Christopherson said...

Wow! This is an interesting read to say the least. Sorry, haven't heard who Arthus is and I'll stick to the kids in my school whom I work next to each day, trying to develop and broaden their world. As for being a 14 who is "unique", I'm not so sure. I've three daughters, 12 to 15, who do a great deal online and little of it is chatting or gaming. One is an accomplished writer, discusses philosophy and politics and has a very "informed" opinion about school, technology and learning. All three have social lives and work plus are involved in a multitude of other things. As for the name calling, the bashing and all the rest, it does remind me of what I deal with in my office. Strong feelings do tend to get people going. I personally like the satirical response by Clare. Take note, Arthur, that's how adults really go at one another. Regardless of how much people may be outraged by what someone says, the use of a more sophisticated form of name calling is still name calling. One thing that only maturity can teach is the ability to allow what others say or do to not influence your response or your behaviour. Having learned the hard way, the only control one has is over oneself. Given that, I've learned to point out that to which I disagree and then move on.
Bully for you Arthur for entering the edublogosphere and having discussions about education. As educators, we do need to listen to what students have to say and consider it as we make decisions and ponder where to go as our world continues to see changes at a faster rate than many of us ever expected. However, the kids I try to engage are less like Arthur and more like, hmmm, Charlie Brown. As for Doug, whatever your intention, you have apologized and now things need to move on as continuing to beat this will indeed lead nowhere. "To err is human, to forgive is divine." As for those who are "chastising", I make it a policy to make sure my closet is clean before I do so. One is never sure where one might "slip"!

 
At Oct 30, 2007 6:08:00 AM, Blogger Steve Hargadon said...

As an interesting aside, this dialog has reminded me of ideas Gary Stager (http://www.stager.org) brought up some months ago when talking about the difference between conversations in the blogosphere and face to face. That dialog itself took place in the comments of several different blogs, and maybe even starts to prove the point itself:

It's very hard to have a good conversation in the comments section of blogs.

Maybe that's because the dialog physically can be taking place on different blogs, even on different posts in the same blog, and it can be hard to follow. (E.g., I can't easily point to one place to follow the Stager thread.) Maybe it's because the medium of the blog gives so much weight to the original blogger that to be noticed the comments have to be less balanced and more "response-generating." Maybe it's because the comments aren't typically threaded.

What I love about blogging is the ability for anyone, without any special software, and for free (if they want), to publish and become part of the larger dialog. What I don't love about blogging is the inability I feel to easily have a more complex discussion.

 
At Oct 30, 2007 8:33:00 AM, Blogger Kelly Christopherson said...

I would basically agree Steve. If one does have comment notification, it does allow you to follow the conversation as each new comment is posted. The problem, as you state, is when the comments produce a blog entry that isn't linked back to the source or many different people linkback making it hard to follow all the conversation generated by the original post. I think it allows us to see a different part of how people think than f2f conversations. People are sometimes less guarded and sometimes the conversation has that raw edge that we always don't get in f2f which can allow us to maybe have a discussion we might not have had, case in point.
People do write things that, although harsh, may create the kind of conversation that leads to growth. Again, case in point.

 
At Oct 30, 2007 8:50:00 AM, Blogger Steve Hargadon said...

Kelly:

I hadn't thought about it, but the same thing we warn our youth about--"disinhibition"--can take place with us as adults. The lack of regular social cues that we have in f2f can lead us to say things we might not in person.

And the point is well made that when writing we have to be careful, since we may mean to say one thing and actually communicate another. Amazing how much of what we say depends on inflection and non-verbal signals. All of us have surely typed something we thought was communicating one message, only to discover upon re-reading that something else was reasonably interpreted.

Good topics to talk about, and important to remember in a world where our relationships are increasingly dependent on our ability to communicate thoughtfully and clearly.

 
At Oct 30, 2007 9:04:00 AM, Blogger Steve Hargadon said...

I just read Doug's post on his blog that mentions this little dust-up here, and something struck me.

He says: "The reason that it’s an extreme version of [the change message] is that it’s being pedelled [sic] by those who aren’t in the classroom and whose job it is to go round stirring up the education system."

I'm not sure Doug meant this, but in combination with his comments about Arthus, I began to wonder about the temptation to only believe certain voices have the authority to talk about education reform--and how much that may be symptomatic of the problems we face.

I love the work of Anastasia Goodstein (www.ypulse.com) who talks a lot about parenting teens, but who isn't a parent herself. She's thoughtfully humble about it, but says (in effect): I was a teenager. And as the parent of four children, I find a lot of her insights spot on.

Who do we feel can participate in the discussion on education? Parents? Students? The community? Anybody who pays taxes? While we can recognize the value of those who are actively teaching or have advanced degrees, will they be the only ones with something of value to say? I sure hope not. I believe that the homeschool community is often unfairly marginalized in these conversations, but many of those who have homeschooled chose to do so because they had children with special needs or they recognized early on some of the larger concerns that are being discussed more broadly today. Should they have a voice?

 
At Oct 31, 2007 10:35:00 AM, Blogger Deb said...

Quite the banter between Doug and Arthus- Loved everthing that Arthus stands for- the analogy of "cutting off tentacles" reminds me of Marc Prensky's comment that schools keep kids in the dark- their connection to the learning stops at the school doors~ technology needs to be infused and teachers need to learn from their students. My daughter is a 14 year old too, though not nearly as tech savvy- more so than her teacher. She had to help her teacher respond to a cell phone call the other day!
I tried to get to Twitter from my school account- and of course, it was blocked. We still need to find that balance of technology use, abuse, and safety. Parents often are the first to complain when students get to a site that's not blocked- AND the student wasn't suppose to be there- that gets lost in the conversation. I think we can all learn a lot from Arthus's blog. Keep on writing!

 
At Oct 31, 2007 12:58:00 PM, Blogger Kelly Christopherson said...

Steve, we do have to invite others into the dialogue about education. However, we also need to understand there is a difference between what someone who is receiving might want and what those are delivering will be willing to do.
Deb - As an adminnistrator, teacher and someone who has been involved in technical education for my entire career, I've taken exception with Mr. Prensky many times. Unfortunately, his oft quoted lines are used as rallying points. Mr. Prensky is selling a product - and using education and educators to pander even more of his product. He designs, writes and sells software and books for his company. He may have been in education but he, right now, is in the profession of selling his product so if he can convince you that he is right, his product becomes valid and worth the money that is being spent. Please find someone without a monetary motive upon which to base your opinions and discussions of education. I put as much stock into what he says as I do into the computer software creators who constantly sell me products.
Steve, when we listen to people, we can have input from whomever we want but ultimately someone has to be responsible. So, I might listen to parents, students and many other people but sometimes what they may want is not possible. Unless people fully understand this and are willing to give input realizing that their input is just that and may not be used, then we run the risk of people expecting things to happen when, in reality, they cannot. I've run into this a few times just this year. There is no harm in listening and asking for input. Let's just make sure that we understand that people who work in schools and in education do have a bit more experience and any decisions that are made affect them, not just the students. Sometimes in this whole discussion, we forget this. I have yet to meet a teacher who would have as much time as Arthur to hone their skills. I don't know any teacher who has the luxury of time that Arthur has. Yet, what I hear between the lines is that change needs to be made despite what teachers are already doing. As for using technology in schools and access, wasn't Britian that a substitute teacher was fired, sued and abused because of a porn site? Do teachers fear? Yep. There are not guarentees when it comes to technology use and teens, everyone wants more access but the black cloud hanging over each teacher is the misuse of technology by some students (youtube camera videos of students taunting teachers til they breakdown.) which will cause all kinds of problems. Talk all you want, discuss all you want but until it's your butt on the firing line about the decision that was made, don't insinuate that those making decisions don't know about technology or technology use.
Deb - my kids are tech savvy - all 7 of them. That doesn't mean that they don't do silly things, aren't sarcastic and don't need someone to tell them when the line is crossed. Let's not lose perspective, until a student loses their "job" for going to an improper site, we're going to have people who resist.

 
At Oct 31, 2007 1:26:00 PM, Blogger Arthus Erea said...

@Kelly While I agree that teachers have very little time to learn and work on new tools, I don't think students have so much more. After all, most students are doing quite a few clubs and sports as well as going to school, doing homework, add in a job, and the amount of time we have to spend on honing our skills certainly starts to decrease. Of course, we do have the rest of our lives. :P But on a day today basis, students don't have nearly as much "free" time as you think.
I agree that we must all understand any ideas we put into the system is just input - not final plans. I don't by any stretch of the imagination expect people to take ideas from my blog and implement them word for word.

You do make a valid point regarding the argument for blocking in school - no teacher wants to be the one fired. That's why I propose that inappropriate content (pornography, hate sites, etc.) is blocked, but POTENTIALLY inappropriate content is left to the discretion of the individual (YouTube, Twitter, etc.).
As for the case of YouTube videos posted of teachers, school blocks would do absolutely nothing to block that since they can be uploaded outside the firewall.
@Deb I know exactly what you mean in terms

 
At Oct 31, 2007 1:40:00 PM, Blogger Steve Hargadon said...

Kelly:

As usual, a thoughtful post.

I hope I wasn't "insinuat[ing] that those making decisions don't know about technology or technology use."

I think part of the difficulty here is that the rise of the read-write web is probably going to have comparable historical and cultural significance to the advent of the printing press. I believe we are going to see some dramatic changes in many of our existing institutions.

It may be that if traditional schools have difficulty responding to this massive change because of how they are currently structured--as you have pointed out well--we may find that some parents and students look for alternatives.

 
At Oct 31, 2007 4:00:00 PM, Blogger Kelly Christopherson said...

Thanks for the replies - Arthus - just one comment on the time/teenager thing - I have 7 children - 4 teenagers who are highly involved in sports, clubs, school and such. Compared to me, a teacher/administrator and the teachers I know, they have plenty more time. My "experience" deals with many teens across a wide variety of socio-economic levels in 6 different settings - from urban city to rural town. Although not scientific or anything like that, my observation is that on average, most teens/students would have more time for hobby pursuits than teachers. There are exceptions to every rule of course. So, although I may be out a bit, my "assumption" about teens/time is pretty informed.

As for YouTube, Facebook etc, I will agree with you as long as we can increase the current bandwidth that schools are allowed to access as prescribed by government. If this is not the case, then we do have to decide where and how we use that bandwidth - teaching and learning or "other" sites. Example - if we have a class accessing YouTube our distance learning classes suffer tremendously from slow image transfer and other problems. When asking for more bandwidth, we are told that some of our access is not educationally related and we need to reduce that. So, at the moment, no YouTube. (or Facebook or ... or... which really bothers me!) As for the videos of teachers, it isn't the uploading I'm talking about, it was an example of the usage of video that is used for validation of why we need to ban many of the tools. Fear is a powerful thing and because of societies "delight" and "desire" to see people of rank be humiliated and teachers fit the bill for this. I don't agree with the idea but the fear factor, as you say Arthur, is very strong.
Steve - No, but it is often cited as a reason for the slow movement of technology. If upper administrators understood the power, things would move faster or something like that. NOT. There is so much more that we must overcome - within the culture/society. First off, most parents are leary of too much technology in school and, in fact, sometimes limit what we can make accessible. Parents are comfortable with their "remembered" vision of school, not a new, wired, highly mobile, highly social group of students. They see too much noise, too many cellphones, computers, video cameras, etc and associate students-technology-non-school activities = NO LEARNING
Another huge problem is the whole cost to repair/stop virus and other such problems. Maybe with a break away from "Windows" we will see this being less of a problem or maybe software makers will give schools free antivirus just because it's nice.
Society is basically happy with how schools run - they don't want something radically different - "Hey, if it worked for me..." when, in fact, we do need something radically different. Something that would allow learners to access information, discuss topics - sometimes across boarders and oceans - create their own reactions that were "graded" differently than we do now. This would require that universities move away from how they accept students and, really, completely turn over the entire idea of education from top to bottom.
So, even putting me at the top ;) wouldn't really bring about changes that I would like to see because of the slow movement of change in education which is partly due to societies "familiarity factor" of how schools should look.

 
At Oct 31, 2007 4:20:00 PM, Blogger Arthus Erea said...

@Kelly I agree that some students have far more time than teachers - it really is highly variable based upon the classes a student is taking as well as activities they participate in. Plus, if a student has a part-time job that's 20 or 30 fewer hours a week they have. However, you have inspired me to do a statistical analysis. Henceforth, I'll be tracking the time I spend on various activities (using FreshBooks).

Regarding bandwidth for social media, why is it that you can't get more bandwidth? Does the government put a bandwidth cap total bandwidth? I know there are laws requiring filtering of inappropriate materials, but I didn't know there are laws dictating total use? (If so, they are rather stupid) Where are you based? Across the pond? I know my school at least is putting in pure fiber optic (10 mbps) connection - can't wait to get on it.

 
At Oct 31, 2007 6:23:00 PM, Blogger Kelly Christopherson said...

Arthus, I'm from up north, Canada. As for the bandwidth issue, all schools are part of a public consortium that receives internet for schools through government funding. The government does, in a way, set the bandwidth size and we, as schools, need to demonstrate that we need more. (That's the RD version of the whole thing. I really don't know the ins and outs of the whole deal but do know that getting more bandwidth is a very difficult thing to do.
I'm jealous of the fiber optic connection! Enjoy

 
At Nov 5, 2007 9:30:00 PM, Blogger Erc said...

Arthus - have you seen this?

Digital Students@ Analog Schools

The schools will catch up with you, Arthus -- they have to!

 
At Nov 6, 2007 5:41:00 PM, Blogger Arthus Erea said...

Thanks for the link. It certainly is a good/interesting video.

I think the most important sentiment in it was when the students were asked what they would most want to say to their professors. I agree, the most important thing teachers can do is actually listen to their students.

 
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This student highlights the reason I began using podcasting in my classroom. I am not sure why there is such a wall in front of the reality we face as educators. The world has changed and we are no longer in it. We must use the systems this generation lives with to reach them. I have started in my classroom and it has and is totally transformed. It is nothing short of amazing, yet sad that I am the only person in my world doing so. We can do it another way, and I have!

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